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A Bad Case of Cost 'Frusfusion'

Jason Bowden
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etnapowers
etnapowers
12/5/2013 5:02:44 AM
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Re: Cost manager surviving principles
@Ranasinghe,

thank you, I think that the practise of personnel cutting is wide diffused. Many times the managers think to this solution as the first one at their disposal.

It's really a suicide as you said.

 

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Ranasinghe
Ranasinghe
11/30/2013 1:46:41 PM
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Re: Cost manager surviving principles
Yes etnapowers I also support your question, I also feels that that is suicide. 

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Ranasinghe
Ranasinghe
11/30/2013 1:42:38 PM
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Re: frusfused
True Victor, There may be an initial cost increase in changing the system for the better version. But the outcome because o the change will be more in long run. 

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Ranasinghe
Ranasinghe
11/30/2013 1:36:26 PM
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Re: frusfused
Very true Netcrawl, there may be a several option for the same design but the challenge is to identify the best cost effective design. 

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RedDerek
RedDerek
11/28/2013 2:43:22 PM
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Re: Time wasted versus doing oneself
@Victor - You do not ed the floppies anymore sinc you can download SDT version from the group's files. After 20+ years, it has essentially become open software. Best thing, there are no annual update fees - OrCAD had gotten it right by the SDT version. One issue that would be nice such as: jpg image import for the board layout. Otherwise, you can still export a netlist for PCB layout and spice (but I do my simulation using LTSpice).

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Victor Lorenzo
Victor Lorenzo
11/28/2013 1:44:38 PM
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Re: Time wasted versus doing oneself
@RedDerek, Good to hear that, it was a very good tool, even compared to PCAD. I wonder if I still have my old floppy disks box. At that time (early 90's) I also started using the PSPICE simulator and made one very simple OrCAD 4 netslist export script, integrated in the OrCAD tools, for generating the circuit netlist for the simulator.

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RedDerek
RedDerek
11/28/2013 10:17:03 AM
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Re: Time wasted versus doing oneself
@Victor - I remember that software and actually still use it. There is a user group on Yahoo - Old Dos OrCAD. The group still keeps this software going with Win7, Linux, and even Mac support. I have it up and running as well as file syncing between several machines.

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Victor Lorenzo
Victor Lorenzo
11/28/2013 6:21:15 AM
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Re: Zoom out one level
@dougwithau: "Given that back in the day the tools cost a whole lot more, would you use an open source tool today?"

There are many open source tools out there that outperform equivalent commercial tools, specially in the compilers, design, and creative areas. In some cases the tool is free and, in case you need it, you can only pay for specific and personalized support.

Yes, I do use several open source free tools every day.

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Victor Lorenzo
Victor Lorenzo
11/28/2013 6:15:59 AM
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Re: Time wasted versus doing oneself
@Redderek: "around early 90's, the EEs were not allowed to do any board layouts - it was the responsibility of the CAD department", well, that holds partially true and it was closely related to internal policies in companies. At that time (early 90's) I was part of a team of electronic engineers and we not only designed the schematics, we also designed the PCB with OrCAD in one (now very old) x286 IBM-PC running at 12MHz and etched/mounted our own prototypes.

Currently, it gets extremely unlikely that one CAD designer could make a good (correct) high speed digital design without a strong EE formation/experience.

But I totally agree with you in the results of the experience you shared in your comment.

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Victor Lorenzo
Victor Lorenzo
11/28/2013 6:05:45 AM
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Re: frusfused
@Netcrawl: "Design is a key factor in reducing waste energy and saving cost" I agree with that and would add another concept here: "Design for Manufacturing". A very effective cost reduction strategy is to design the product taking into account current manufacturing capabilities, tooling costs, handling programming and testing costs.

We decided once not to use one specific cheaper OLED display and integrated another a couple dollars more expensive because of tooling cost for manufacturing, and that made us make more profit. The total devices count was very limited in that case.

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